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Cientista acusa as Testemunhas de Jeová de Desonestidade Intelectual

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Cientista acusa as Testemunhas de Jeová de Desonestidade Intelectual

Mensagem por Investigando a Torre em Dom Jan 18 2015, 09:11


A propósito dum artigo publicado na revista Despertai de Janeiro de 2015 sobre a Criação/Evolução, o cientista Rama Singh que vê o seu nome e algumas das suas declarações mencionadas na citada revista, acusa as TJ de desonestidade intelectual.

Sigam este assunto AQUI.

IT


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Re: Cientista acusa as Testemunhas de Jeová de Desonestidade Intelectual

Mensagem por River raid em Dom Jan 18 2015, 13:41

Sinceramente, é preciso ter uma grande lata. Mas que grande falta de respeito.

O cientista publica um extenso artigo numa revista especializada, a Torre lê o artigo, retira as frases do contexto e volta a redigí-las num texto da Despertai com um sentido completamente diferente!

Esta atitude é decorrente e habitual nas publicações da Torre. É por isso que frequentemente existe o tal jargão "Certo cientista disse..., certo erudito disse, blá, blá).

Vamos ver se eles publicarão o tal pedido de desculpas solicitado pelo cientista. O mais certo será falarem com ele em particular ou pagar uma indemnização sem ir a tribunais porque sinceramente não imagino a Torre pedindo desculpas a quem quer que seja.

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Re: Cientista acusa as Testemunhas de Jeová de Desonestidade Intelectual

Mensagem por Kristy123 em Dom Jan 18 2015, 14:23

@River raid escreveu:Vamos ver se eles publicarão o tal pedido de desculpas solicitado pelo cientista. O mais certo será falarem com ele em particular ou pagar uma indemnização sem ir a tribunais porque sinceramente não imagino a Torre pedindo desculpas a quem quer que seja.

Na minha opinião, NUNCA a torre irá pedir desculpas a esse cientista.
Quanto muito, estaria disposta a pagar uma indemnização, mas isso nunca se vai saber..

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Re: Cientista acusa as Testemunhas de Jeová de Desonestidade Intelectual

Mensagem por TJ Curioso em Dom Jan 18 2015, 15:03

Ainda agora estava a ler o artigo do Cedars sobre este assunto aqui e mais uma vez a Organização prova a sua desonestidade intelectual nos seus artigos!

Também achei espetacular a resposta do Dr. Singh ao diretor da revista A Despertai!. Foi incisivo e no ponto!
Deixo aqui a carta transcrita, conforme está no artigo que o IT citou.

Evolution, Religion, Reason - An open letter to Jehovah's Witnesses


Editor of Awake (Magazine)
Jehovah's Witnesses

Dear Editor,

I am writing to protest your Awake Magazine article, "The origin of life
- five questions worth asking", dated January, 2015", in which you have
misquoted me by taking half a sentence out of context from my article on
evolution. Contrary to what you imply, I do not support a creationist
view, nor do I suggest that even a minority of scientists support such
a view. Anyone who reads my article can see that I fully support the
theory of evolution (Singh 2011).

In my article, I follow the paragraph from which you have misquoted me
with material showing why the facts of evolution are hard to comprehend
for many people. My article is meant for people who want to understand
evolution but who do not have the expertise to do so, not for creationists
like you who oppose evolution on religious grounds.

Your misquotation amounts to intellectual dishonesty and reflects on your
character and dignity as editor as well as a man of God. I can understand
that you do not accept evolution as an explanation for the biodiversity
on this planet, but I cannot understand why you would knowingly misuse
a scientist's work to make him appear supporting the creationist point
of view.

I have received inquiries from many evolutionists, atheists and former
members of your organization (ex-JW) who brought the above misquotation
to my attention. I agree with them that your misquotation of my work
is deliberate and meant to convince your followers in the truth of
creationism by perpetuating false support from scientists.

So I am asking you first to remove the misquotation from your article
immediately and second print an unconditional apology for what I consider
is a deliberate damaging action on your part to my reputation.

The goal of religion is to seek truth, to remove ignorance and fear,
not to perpetuate myths and lies. As a man of religion you may have the
need for God and as a man of science I may not. But we both should be
on the same side when it comes to the pursuit of truth. Believers need
truth as much as non-believers do.

If I may suggest, as an organization you should stop wasting your time
in perpetuating lies against evolution. Religion and science need each
other. As Einstein remarked, religion is lame without science, and science
is blind without religion. Religion and science are both driven by reason
but they operate in different domains. Religion seeks absolute truth,
science proceeds through incremental steps. Religion is the reason to
keep science marching.

The Catholic Church and its leaders, including Pope Pius XII, Pope
John Paul II, and most recently Pope Francis, have albeit slowly
but progressively accepted evolution and do not see conflict between
religion and science. God is not a magician, as Pope Francis said,
and it's insulting to human intelligence to put everything at God's
door. Jehovah's Witnesses should feel liberated in supporting evolution
as it would free you from proselytizing false doctrine and allow you to
dig deeper into the meaning and the mystery of life.

Accepting evolution does not bar you from believing in God and vice
versa. This is exactly what many Hindus, Buddhists, and Jains do.
All these religions came from the same trunk and yet Buddhism and Jainism
were atheistic in their origins. Hindus' theory of reincarnation making
God progressively appear in the different eons in the form of fish,
turtle, boar, lion, a small man, a full man, Rama, Krishna, Buddha,
and the future Kalki, represent an evolutionary ladder in higher
organisms. According to Hindu texts, there are 8.4 million life forms
(yoni/species) and the life (jiv) in all of them comes from the same
source, implying a common origin. The literal theory of rebirth meaning
life going through all 8.4 million life forms is obviously an evolutionary
progression up the ladder if life. Hindus have no problem with believing
in evolution and God at the same time.

Furthermore, not believing in religion and God does not mean that one
has no interest in the origin and evolution of the universe and in the
bigger questions of life. Atheists do not believe in organized religions
or faiths, but atheists are as much interested in the bigger questions
life and death as you are. Atheists too can be loving and kind. Let me
give you an example:

"When Gandhi was developing his non-violent struggle movement for the
freedom of India, he was also mounting a campaign against the social ills
of the Indian society such as untouchability, child marriage, marriage
dowry, women's disempowerment, religious disharmony, etc. A social
activist, by the nickname Gora, a Brahman from the State of Andhra,
was doing similar social work with like-minded activists in his home
area. The interesting thing is that while they were both doing social
activists, Gandhi was a man of faith, a living faith, Mr. Gora was an
Atheist. Gora loved Gandhi's philosophy and wanted to meet with him.
It took a while but finally he got his chance and Gandhi invited Gora
and his group to his Ashram and gave them duties. Gandhi was interested
in knowing how can a man as Gora show so much love and affection and
do to so much good social work and still be an Atheist. Over the weeks
the group was there Gandhi would take them, one at a time, to walk and
ask them about their work and life. Finally one day Gandhi sat down
and asked Gora why he was an Atheist. Gora broke into a long monologue
summarizing the damage done to the country by the long held social and
cultural practices of the religious organizations. Gandhi listened to
all Gora had to say and then asked him: How can you do all this good work
and still be an Atheist to which Gora replied: "Father, I am an Atheist,
I am not godless (Singh 2009)." Religion cannot survive without reason,
but blind faith can. A literal belief in the sacred texts is bound to
put religion against reason. What are contained in the sacred books may
be words of God, but these words were heard and put together by mere
humans who are prone to err. It's contrary to common sense to assume
that what's put in the sacred books by our great ancestors and religious
leaders must necessarily be truth and nothing but truth. We must inquire
and as St. Augustine said, reason must prevail over religion.

The sacred books guide us to seeking truth. Blind (unquestioning) faith
in God can be a source of personal strength to some but it can never be a
substitute for dialogues, discussions and engagements among fellow beings.

The world has changed and so should religion. A religion that does not
change and adapt with time is doomed to become irrelevant. Rescuing
religion from irrelevance is the dominant problem of today. Your
organization has a large following and you can use them constructively
to bring science and religion together. The great enterprise of science
and religion is too important and too interdependent to be driven by a
religious manual. Your love of God need not blind your reason.

In closing, I say to you what I say to my students: To understand other
subjects you need to study them; to understand evolution you need to
study and meditate on it.

Rama Singh
Department of Biology
McMaster University
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Singh@mcmaster.ca

References:

Singh, R.S. (2009). Atheists too can be loving and kind. Hamilton
Spectator, July 23, 2013.

Singh, R.S. (2011). Darwin's legacy: why biology is not physics, or why
evolution has not become a common sense? Genome 54: 1-6.

Rama S Singh

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Re: Cientista acusa as Testemunhas de Jeová de Desonestidade Intelectual

Mensagem por TJ esclarecido em Dom Jan 18 2015, 15:27

Isto é há muito, prática recorrente da Torre de Vigia, usar opiniões de cientistas de forma descontextualizada e até mesmo em alguns casos, deturpando-as para apoiar as suas "verdades" e dar sustentabilidade ao que escreve nas publicações.


"Se apenas houvesse uma única verdade, não poderiam pintar-se cem telas sobre o mesmo tema"
Pablo Picasso

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Re: Cientista acusa as Testemunhas de Jeová de Desonestidade Intelectual

Mensagem por TJ Curioso em Dom Jan 18 2015, 17:55

@TJ esclarecido escreveu:Isto é há muito, prática recorrente da Torre de Vigia, usar opiniões de cientistas de forma descontextualizada e até mesmo em alguns casos, deturpando-as  para apoiar as suas "verdades" e dar sustentabilidade ao que escreve nas publicações.

Verdade. O mesmo ocorre com os eruditos citados em artigos sobre a queda de Jerusalém e a TNM.

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Re: Cientista acusa as Testemunhas de Jeová de Desonestidade Intelectual

Mensagem por antonio1965 em Seg Jan 19 2015, 08:27

A Torre usa e abusa dessa técnica. Por um lado sabe que a grande maioria destes autores não lê a revista e por outro também sabe (porque assim o incentiva) que as pobres TJ não vão ler os artigos originais.




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Re: Cientista acusa as Testemunhas de Jeová de Desonestidade Intelectual

Mensagem por estudante eterno em Seg Jan 19 2015, 16:24

"If I may suggest, as an organization you should stop wasting your time
in perpetuating lies against evolution. Religion and science need each
other. As Einstein remarked, religion is lame without science, and science
is blind without religion. Religion and science are both driven by reason
but they operate in different domains. Religion seeks absolute truth,
science proceeds through incremental steps. Religion is the reason to
keep science marching."


Este parágrafo mostra-nos o porque deste homem ser, na minha opiinião, muito mais sincero do que os homens das religiões...

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